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Poster: JackDog Date: Jul 13, 2012 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Cost of blank reel-to-reel tape?

"I found a place in the city that would do small-scale pressings… I produced 500 records; they cost me about $1-1.30 apiece. It was mono, no labels of any kind, white on white…"

I was wondering how small-scale pressings were done. Two questions: what was the cost of an album in 1971 and what was the cost of a blank reel-to-reel tape?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 13, 2012 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cost of blank reel-to-reel tape?

Oh, color me dumb as a post...

Yes, you could buy rtor tapes for a few bucks, but the recorders were so expensive that VERY few folks had them at the time. So, for example, everyone wanted LPs, bootlegs, and v few folks worked with the tapers directly except to "bastardize" them to cassettes...

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jul 13, 2012 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cost of blank reel-to-reel tape?

My recollection: new albums were in the area of $3.50 - $5.00, I always searched bargain bins as well where you could find "oldies" and overs for $2-3.00. Reel-to-reel tapes were fairly expensive, dependent on brand - my memory says $5-10., but I remember taping two albums per reel at my friends house at 3.75 ips speed. (Better fidelity at 7.5 ips, but it was good enough for my stereo.) The days before cassettes got popular....

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 13, 2012 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the general public and access to sound...

As I finally came around to more closely answering JD's original query, I think that the equation need the "player" aspect factored in, ya know?

Meaning, everyone had LP players, and yes, for most of 67-75, albums were $3.99 ($3.19 for some of it), so, for ~ $100 you had a ticket to the ball. However, v few folks had rtor players/recorders, and the availability of commercial tapes, like the whoffire example I gave, was limited.

In the early 70s, of the 50 or so heads I interacted with regularly, only ONE had a rtor set-up. All had LPs and most had cassettes; to show how different it was from today, however, there were three with 8-trk recorders!

But the for the general public, high quality cassette recorders didn't become widely available til the early 70s for less than $400, and thus there was more of a divide, and it makes sense why Marty was so negative about the non-rtor sorts...folks with rtor were "professionals" to all of us, and we wanted the easiest access to the product, which for the masses, was defn the LP format.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 13, 2012 6:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the general public and access to sound...

Good replies - so if Marty was selling his LP for $3, it was a bargain! (Esp compared to the Dead's live double-albums, though of course lesser quality.)

And as he says, "I could have copied to cassette, but not everyone had cassette players at the time. Everyone had a record player."
In the early '70s, bootleg LPs were by far the best way to get these tapes to the public. The reel-to-reel/cassette-taping scene was so much smaller then; and I can definitely imagine the "professional" rtor owners looking down on the unwashed masses who just used cassettes... High-end audio guys are like that!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 14, 2012 1:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: the general public and access to sound...

Yes, as a "sound fiend" relative to my other head friends, I kept careful track of the acoustic machine biz of the day (as a biologist I record sounds of critters, and have kept it up in a v different way ever since). Here's a brief sketch just to irritate High Flow:

In the 60s, cassettes were NOT widely availabe; rtor recorders were v lg and bulky, except for a v few prof machines like Uher (in 70s, I bought my first Uhers for ~ $1200, not for the masses!). Home rtor were much more common, but still v expensive (>$500).

By the mid 70s one could get home cassette players/recorders for ~ $400, by Teac, Sony, Marantz and Pioneer, and the acoustic measures almost matched rtor (quality). By the early 80s, you could get portable, smaller than rtor cassette recorders for $500, and that was when they replaced rtor as they was little reason to maintain the lg machines for portable usage (unless you were a real snob).

But, back to ave users, and taking cars as an example, we when from just radios to those with 8trk and cassettes at about the same time, then cassettes really replaced 8 trks by the late 70s with the increase in quality. LPs were really the best bargain til cassettes just took over in the 80s, replacing them and 8trks all at once, and pushing rtor to the thinnest sliver of the market (again, due to inc recording quality).

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 13, 2012 2:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cost of blank reel-to-reel tape?

I did my collecting in the CD era. 50% used bargain-bin finds($.25-$8), 50% ripping-off those "pay a penny get 12 CDs" companies(about $45 for 15 after you bought the 3 at retail), 2% retail and 2% band-direct. Or something like that.....it's highly scientific.

BTW, did you know that 84.2% of all short putts don't go in the hole? Huh! I know!

This is WT quality info here. You're welcome. Oh, and happy Friday.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 13, 2012 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cost of blank reel-to-reel tape?

Ahem...I think you bypassed the "quality control step"...it's probably in the upper right of the keyboard above "home" and near "pause"; be sure to click just when the "smart ass" meter goes off...

;)

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jul 13, 2012 1:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cost of blank reel-to-reel tape?

I don't know those things... Anyone?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 13, 2012 1:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Cost of blank reel-to-reel tape?

Monte can tell us this for the "producers", but if you mean, "on the street", I can tell you: You could buy, oh, EG, Wheels of Fire as a rtor or double album for EXACTLY the same price (I know this having purchased both in 1968 when released): roughly, $7.99 US 1968 (= $ 43 gazillion bucks in "today's money"...WTF? Who the f**k is this legendary "today" anyway?).

And, on Telegraph Ave, NO one wanted rtor, and the bootlegs of Closing Fillmore (7-2-71), HWood Bowl (8-6-71), and Mammary productions (10-4-70) sold for $5, $6 and $3, respectively, in 1973. I would think that perhaps 500 of each of those was "pressed", BUT this is TOTAL speculation. I have met NO one in my yrs here or elsewhere except GoP (here) that has these three...

Interesting.

Great post LiA!

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